#139: 10th anniversary special! O Caledonia vs The Sundial, and celebrating 10 years

Shirley Jackson, Elspeth Barker, and your emails – welcome to episode 139 of Tea or Books?!

Can you believe we’ve been going for ten years? It’s wild to me! In the first half of the episode we compare two gothic-inspired novels – O Caledonia by Elspeth Barker and The Sundial by Shirley Jackson. In the second half, we share lots of lovely, lovely emails from you guys. We asked about the books and episodes that stand out from our first decade – and were so touched by everyone who got in touch. Apologies for the handful of people who messaged after we’d recorded. I’m afraid you aren’t in the episode, but we were grateful for the messages of course.

You can get in touch with suggestions, comments, questions etc (please do!) at teaorbooks[at]gmail.com – we’d love to hear from you, even if I’m quite bad at replying quickly. Find us at Spotify, Apple podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts. If you’re able to, we’d really appreciate any reviews and ratings you can leave us. And you can support the podcast at Patreon.

Because there are so many books and authors mentioned in this episode, I’m not going to do a full list – but if you’d like anything clarified, do ask in the comments.

Mrs Dalloway: Biography of a Novel by Mark Hussey

Following on from my thoughts on Recommended! by Nicola Wilson, here’s another book so up my street that it feels like a personal favour. Foolishly, I have delayed writing my review for months – I finished it at the beginning of March – but hopefully I remember enough to help you understand why I loved it so much. Mrs Dalloway: Biography of a Novel (2025) came as a review copy, and I read it as soon as it landed.

As the title suggests, this explores Virginia Woolf’s novel Mrs Dalloway. I certainly wouldn’t recommend you read Hussey’s book if you haven’t already read Woolf’s, though you don’t need to have a photographic memory for everything in the original to enjoy this. What I do recommend, actually, is listening to Kristin Scott Thomas’s excellent audiobook of Mrs Dalloway alongside Mrs Dalloway: Biography of a Novel. You’ll definitely want to revisit Mrs D one way or another.

The book starts with the background to Mrs Dalloway – starting with a quick overview of the writing and response to her previous novel, Jacob’s Room, which is often seen as a turning point in her development as a writer. For a woman who wrote so much, with almost every scrap of paper being published, it’s surprising how often the same things are used and reused in any book about Woolf. The ‘life is a luminous halo’ quote; the discovery of ‘how to begin (at 40) to say something in my own voice’. Mrs Dalloway: Biography for a Novel would feel incomplete without them – but they are thankfully only the starting point.

We see how Woolf’s notes and intentions came together in various early drafts of Mrs Dalloway. I was particularly interested in what Hussey notes about the characters Mr and Mrs Dalloway in Woolf’s first novel, The Voyage Out – since I’d always assumed she lifted them from there. As he points out, they are not really the same characters: exploring how she can re-use characters, but also transform them, does take some dealing with – some acceptance of literary slipperiness that doesn’t come easily. But it is definitely worth exploring.

Hussey sets Woolf’s approach in its context – in her own development as a writer, but also in the contemporary literary context. He avoids some of the simplistic received wisdom about James Joyce, and gives a much more nuanced reading:

Woolf and Joyce have often been set up as antagonists, the surface similarities between Ulysses and Mrs Dalloway – both taking place on a single June day in a capital city – offered as evidence of Joyce’s ‘influence’ or even of Woolf’s plagiarism. Such views invariably rely on the casually nasty remarks Woolf made in her diary, that Joyce’s book called to mind ‘a queasy undergraduate scratching his pimples’, or that it was evidently the production of a ‘self-taught working man’. But Woolf’s discomfort at the ‘indecency’ in Ulysses was not the primness of a late-Victorian woman (who, after all, enjoyed Lytton Strachey’s lewd poems very much). Her objection was baed on the suspicion that it was a ‘dodge’ to convince readers that here was something unprecedented: ‘Must get out of the way of thinking that indecency is more real than anything else’ was another of her reading notes.

Amen, Virginia! Hussey takes us, of course, through the content of Mrs Dalloway – the inspirations that could have helped compose Mrs Dalloway and Septimus Warren Smith, putting them thoughtfully in the context of contemporary conversations about mental health, the long-term impact of war, and the place of women – and different types of women – in the 1920s. Some of this is necessarily based a little on conjecture and on broader themes – but Hussey is brilliant at detail too. There is a satisfyingly in-depth look at slight variants between editions – something perhaps most exciting to the Woolf nerd like me, even while it undermines the idea of literary stability.

The proofs Woolf sent to Harcourt Brace in New York were marked differently by Woolf than those she subsequently sent back to her printer for the Hogarth Press edition. Owing to these difference, together with the American compositor failing to indicate where space breaks fell at the foot of a page, the Harcourt edition appeared with only eight sections. When a second English edition appeared as part of the ‘Uniform Edition’ of Woolf’s works in 1929, a break was missed between sections seven and eight, resulting in a version with eleven sections. Various editors have made decisions over the ensuing years that have resulted in a kind of free-for-all, with some versions of Mrs Dalloway having ten, others eight, others eleven sections, and so on.

The initial reception to Mrs Dalloway – from critics and from the public – feeds my appetite for this sort of literary gossip. Woolf also documented her response to this response, and I found it all fascinating. And it continues! The latter sections look at the continuing legacy of the novel – how critics have assessed it over time, and the works it has influenced. Michael Cunningham’s The Hours gets substantial space, of course, and it’s instructive to see what this did to a revitalising of Woolf’s readership – but there are also enjoyably unexpected legacies. Did you expect this book to mention Miley Cyrus? Or to show Mrs Dalloway with scar, sword, and eye patch?

Hussey is also merciless in his delving into particularly stupid reviews. I was rather shocked by what Philip Hensher wrote in 2003 about Woolf being better known for her life than her novels which were (Hensher wrote) “inept, ugly, fatuous, badly written and revoltingly self-indulgent”. Hussey lets critics like this expose their own ignorance, giving them enough rope to hang themselves with. But it certainly helps explain why I found the only Hensher novel I read to be pretty unsuccessful.

Having said that, though, Hussey doesn’t always keep himself in the background – and I appreciated when his own voice comes through. There were some excellent turns of phrase – Wyndham Lewis is described as ‘One of the arch-enemies of Bloomsbury was that talented precursor of today’s laddish critics’ – and sections that feel more personal than academic. I enjoyed the mix.

Literary criticism might be imagined as a sprawling conversation among professionals about reading. The conversation moves on or lingers, repeats itself or brings to light somethiong new, confuses or clarifies, and at times can be difficult even for insiders to follow. At its heart, though, when all the theories and specialised terminology, the trends and assumptions, are put aside, literary criticism consists of people saying ‘I thought this when I read that’. How we are ‘supposed’ to feel about Clarissa Dalloway, Peter Walsh or Doris Kilman is the wrong quetion. More interesting is to ask how do you feel, and why?

Speaking of Doris Kilman, I think the only section of Mrs Dalloway: Biography of a Novel that felt less successful to me was an extended reading of Doris Kilman – broadly whether she is an empathetic character or not, and what Woolf might be trying to achieve with the character. It was very interesting, but didn’t feel quite like it fit into the structure of the book – more like a discussion from an undergraduate seminar that he wanted to use but couldn’t quite work out where. My only other quibble with the book was the absence of an index, but that might just be in my advance proof copy – I haven’t checked the final published version.

Minute quibbles for a brilliant achievement. You might be surprised, after seeing all that Hussey has included in this book, to learn that it’s only 180 pages, plus notes, references etc. It’s amazing how comprehensive he can be in a relatively short space. Mrs Dalloway: Biography of a Novel does two things marvellously: give a huge amount of relevant, fascinating, detailed information in a distinct and enjoyable way, and remind me why I love Woolf’s novel so much. Now, of course, I am impatient for Hussey to give the same treatment to all the rest of Woolf’s oeuvre.

Recommended! by Nicola Wilson

Sometimes there comes along a book you never even hoped you’d get to read – something so totally up your street that it feels almost like a personal kindness that the author was willing to write. Such is Recommend! (2025) by Nicola Wilson – subtitled ‘the influencers who influenced how we read’. It is a history of the Book Society, which began in 1929 as one of the UK’s first book-of-the-month clubs, and went on for many more decades.

The idea was simple: notable authors of the day would read advance copies of books and pick a choice for their growing number of subscribers. If they didn’t want that, there would be alternatives they could substitute in. Each book would come with the Book Society News, including reviews and articles. The everyday, normal reader could have what highbrow literary groups had had for generations. They even had a ‘literary club’ in London that any subscribers were welcome to visit and use, though who knows how many did. Forgive a long quote, but I enjoyed this aspirational look at what a dinner between five literary minds could and would turn into:

For as the red wine was served out, followed by whiskey and cigars for the men, cigarettes for the ladies, the writers’ plans began to take shape: month by month, book by book, they’d change how people thought about reading. As judges their tastes would be broad and eclectic, embracing popular genres and literary fiction, as well as history, travel writing, and memoir. They would not take themselves too seriously; books should be enjoyable and for everyone. By supporting new authors and encouraging a habit of book-buying, they’d break the back of the private subscription library market, enabling ordinary, busy people to build their own collections of first editions. They would help those without nearby bookshops to keep up with new writing and ideas, creating a wide Anglophone reading community. Their selections and recommendations will be bestsellers, making publishers, agents, and booksellers take note. They’d shake up the staid book world with their expert advice, allowing wider audiences, with a growing appetite for books, better access to a world from which many felt actively excluded

Along the way, they would gain enemies. Personal attacks and jibes about their integrity would haunt them, threatening to topple their careers. They would be accused of dumbing down, mocked as ‘middlemen’ for ‘conferring authority on a taste for the second-rate’. Not all five would stick it out. But the Book Society they began that night would serve tens of thousands of readers worldwide for the next forty years, steering a course through the Great Depression, the rise of fascism, and the devastation of World War II. Hundreds of what we now think of as twentieth-century classics would first reach readers wrapped in ‘Book Society Choice’ yellow bands.

The initial group included names still known today. The head of the selection committee was Hugh Walpole; alongside him was J.B. Priestley and Rose Macaulay, though the latter dropped out before the first novel was published. Replacing her was Clemence Dane (pseudonym of Winifred Ashton), and the others on that initial committee are perhaps less remembered – writer and reviewer Sylvia Lynd and academic George Gordon, lending the group some critical respectability. Later judges who get a lot of space in the book include Cecil Day-Lewis and Edmund Blunden.

Wilson takes us through the set up of the group, its advertising and some initial pushback, and how the first books were chosen – which seems not to have been plain sailing. ‘For Hugh, the club’s first choice was a mess’, she writes. His father died in the midst of the decision making, and so he had to leave it to others – who were debating between Helen Beauclerk’s The Love of the Foolish Angel and Joan Lowell’s non-fiction The Cradle of the Deep. The former was chosen – which turned out to be a relief, as Lowell’s book was exposed as a hoax.

The book is structured chronologically, but with different judges taking centre stage at different times. I was a little sceptical about this at first – after all, if we delve into Hugh Walpole’s life (for instance) only for the initial chapter, then how would Wilson deal with significant things happening to him later? How would it work to only learn depths about Sylvia Lynd in chapter four? Well, and not for the last time, I’m very impressed by Wilson’s handling of her material. Somehow, it works. She expertly manages to assess when we really need to learn more about a judge’s personal life – whether that be affairs and divorce, substance abuse, or merely the shifting literary fortunes that gave them more or less time to devote to the Book Society. It works brilliantly, and Recommended! becomes rather a page-turner.

I’m skimming the surface of the details in here (you’ll just have to read it!) but, to be honest, I’d have been captivated if Recommended! were only an account of the mechanics of starting and running a book-of-the-month club. And it’s so much more. Wilson doesn’t tell us about every single choice at length, there are plenty of satisfyingly detailed sections exploring why books were chosen, what that did to their reputation, who squabbled with whom, etc. And the choice of titles is certainly varied. While book-of-the-month clubs now tend towards popular, pacey fiction, the Book Society were unafraid to recommend hefty history books – and, indeed, many of the leading highbrow writers of the day.

I said it on Tea or Books? when mentioning Recommended! and I’ll say it again – I was blown away by Wilson’s research. I wrote about the Book Society for my DPhil and spent quite a lot of time researching it – and I know how extremely difficult it was to find any information. It was a struggle even to find a list of the books they chose, and indeed I failed to find a complete list – but Wilson has found far, far more. The newsletters, the relevant correspondence, the detailed understanding of the judges’ lives throughout the decades – there is so much expert research presented in an engaging way, and it never feels like anything is missing. It is extremely impressive, and I doff my cap to Wilson.

While the Book Society continued until the 1960s, Wilson’s book takes us up to the end of the Second World War, with a postscript and some appendices covering the later years – which is rather a relief, to be honest, as we could stay in the heyday. The only thing missing from this exceptional book is a full list of titles as an appendix – they are listed at the ends of chapters, but that does require quite a lot of flicking about, and I’d have preferred to have a full list to consult.

The Book Society may never have numbered millions of subscribers, but it truly changed the way that society – or a certain section of society, at least – chose and read their books. It could have been a curio of literary history, left to explore in the shadows by students like me. I’m so glad that Wilson has rescued The Book Society from that fate with this captivating, fascinating book that garlands its incredible research with an approachable chattiness. In conclusion: Recommended! is heartily recommended.

Mr Teddy by E.F. Benson

Mr Teddy

I have a teetering pile of E.F. Benson novels I’ve not read – he was so prolific, and some of his books aren’t that easy to come across, so I always snap up any that I find in the wild. Most of the time, I love reading the results of this foraging – occasionally, some of his earlier novels haven’t worked as well for me. But mostly he has a witty view of small-town communities that revels in their competitiveness and bitchiness and interdependence, and I lap it all up.

Mr Teddy (1917)  – published in the US as The Tortoise – falls somewhere in the middle of his writing career. On the first page, ‘Mr Teddy’ – Edward Heaton – is shaving in the mirror and reflecting on the fact that he has just turned 40 years old. That felt apposite, as I am a few months away from the milestone myself. He is a decent, kind man who has enough wealth to make decency and kindness fairly easy on the whole, though he struggles to achieve his potential – his potential being artistic. He has made plenty of very good, half-finished portraits… and nothing more. The morning of his 40th birthday is a time for reflection on such incomplete achievements.

One area of his life where kindness is very much evident is in dealing with the true monster of the book – his mother, Mrs Heaton. I say ‘monster’. She is also the novel’s greatest delight, for me. In her, Benson has created an exceptional portrait of long-suffering, where the suffering is entirely confected and the complaints about it weary everyone around her. She is constantly saying that nobody must consider her feelings, that they clearly don’t care about her opinions or her anguish, all the while refusing to allow anybody to help her and deliberately misinterpreting anything as a personal barb.

“I know I have have no say in the matter,” said his mother, instantly proceeding to have a pretty good ‘say’,”because you are master of this house, and I am your pensioner. Whether that was or was not a kind and considerate way of your father to leave his money, so that I was necessarily dependent on you for the ordinary comforts of life, I hope I have too great a loyalty to his memory to say. Nothing shall induce me to open my lips on that subject. You will perhaps tell me when you have decided what room to give Robin; and if you settle to give him my bedroom, I’m sure I will sleep wherever you choose to put me without a murmur – not that I sleep much at the best of times.”

Benson is so adept at this sort of character, and Mrs Heaton is both consistent and infuriating. Edward puts up with her in a manner befitting a saint, only occasionally allowing impatience to creep into his voice (and being made to pay for it). Perhaps a little more impatience would have made him a little more realistic. Certainly, I found myself deeply frustrated by Mrs Heaton – in a way that I loved reading about.

Teddy’s dearest friend is a younger woman called Daisy, in and out of their house constantly in the manner of villagers who have known each other forever, and who belong to the very select upper class of the community. (The lower classes may as well not exist except as servants, in Mr Teddy, and there is no indictation of their experience of village life.) While notably younger than Teddy, she has reached an age where she considers herself on the shelf – somewhat south of 30. But if Teddy were to ask her…

A fun side plot is Daisy’s sister’s career as an author. Her novels appear in instalments in the parish magazine, and from thence are published under a pseudonym and pretty popular with the wider public. As publishing approaches go, I suspect that was always unusual. Marion takes her writing career extremely seriously, not least as the moral compass of her readers. She considers it both shocking and an enormous responsibility when one of her characters loses her Christian faith (though she will resume it after a decent interval). Benson – and Marion’s readers – take her career rather less seriously.

Now in late October the era of ‘winter dessert’ had begun, and while Daisy ate a small green apple, which quite resisted the cutting edge of a silver knife, Marion chose a hard ginger-nut which was nearly as intractable to the teeth. She announced about this period the news of the impending salvation of Mrs Anstruther.

“Well, that’s a great relief to me,” said Daisy. “I have often felt quite depressed in thinking of her. I wondered if you would find you could touch her heart.”

“Yes, but I think she must die,” said Marion.

Speaking of dying – a spoiler for about a third of the way through the novel – Mrs Heaton’s self-pity for once is justified, and she dies. Her behaviour is, indeed, rather more tolerable during this trying period. Like so many self-obsessed nuisances, she deals better with crises than with everyday inconveniences. Sadly for Mr Teddy, I think this is where the novel loses a lot of its momentum. In the remaining two-thirds of the novel, new neighbours arrive and Edward’s possible romantic life becomes more significant. I enjoyed Mr Teddy right through to the end – but it had lost its main spectacle.

We are often told that conflict is necessary for action in a novel, and I think that is only true if ‘conflict’ is considered in the loosest possible manner. It’s perfectly possible to write an excellent novel without anybody as dislikable as Mrs Heaton. But her selfishness is not only an exceptionally good, funny portrait – it also, somehow, gave the novel its momentum. If only to see which character might finally snap and murder her. With Mrs Heaton off the page, it became a pleasant, witty comedy of manners – but without any obvious driving force.

Such plot as there is seems to come in rather a rush at the end, and Benson does rather try to have his cake and eat it with some genuinely poignant moments – perhaps falling a little too near the writings by Marion that he is teasing about. I think Mr Teddy would have been more successful if he had kept his antagonist alive – and resisted a little self-indulgent bathos. But E.F. Benson is E.F. Benson, and I really enjoyed my time in this novel even with those quibbles. And there are plenty more on the Benson tower to enjoy next.

StuckinaBook’s Weekend Miscellany

Hope you’re having a good weekend! I have a jam-packed one, seeing lots of friends (and also the musical Titanique, which I’m very excited about). Along the way, I’ll be having my first ever Peruvian meal, or at least what London thinks is Peruvian food. Not to mention, of course, a handful of books along the way – a couple of train journeys will helpfully contribute there. I also have a pile of books I finished before May still waiting to be reviewed, as they were neglected for A Book A Day In May.

Whatever you’re up to, here are a book, a link, and a blog post to help you feeling weekendish.

1.) The link – ok, niche audience maybe, but my friend Lizzie and I have started a podcast about the soap opera Emmerdale! It’s called Dingle All The Way, after the Dingle family, and you can find it on Spotify or wherever you get podcasts.

2.) The blog post – I’m not going to lie, I was hoping to see more blog reviews of The Spring Begins by Katherine Dunning, especially as Scott (Furrowed Middlebrow) and I have both made it our top books of the year. It is now available, so please do go and read it! It’s marvellous! What are you waiting for! Don’t just take my word and Scott’s word for it – Caro has written a wonderful review too now.

A Crumpled Swan: Fifty essays about Abigail Parry's 'In the dream of the cold restaurant'

3.) The book – yes, this book grabbed my attention because I misread the subtitle and thought it was 50 essays about Abigail’s Party, and wouldn’t that be wonderful? But, having corrected myself, I’m still intrigued by David Collard’s A Crumpled Swan: Fifty essays about Abigail Parry’s ‘In the dream of the cold restaurant’, which looks to be far more wide-ranging than the title suggests – looking at wider issues of writing and reading, using a single poem as a basis. It could be fantastic or it could be extremely self-indulgent, and I’ll need to read it to find out.

Project 24 update (books 6-14)

I haven’t updated you on my Project 24 buying for a good while – and please know that that is absolutely not because I’ve been behaving on that front. In fact, I’m getting ahead of where I should be.

Let’s go in the order I bought them, which is unhelpfully not the order that they’re pictured above.

An Avenue of Stone by Pamela Hansford Johnson
I was in a bookshop in Stirling, Scotland, a month or two ago, and didn’t want to leave it empty-handed. There were quite a few rare-ish books that I loved, but already owned. It felt like the kind of shop where I should be able to find something special – and in the end I plumped for An Avenue of Stone by Pamela Hansford Johnson, having recently loved her novel Catherine Carter. I was a little hesitant, because it is apparently the middle of a trilogy, but I figured I could start accumulating…

Adventures of an Ordinary Mind by Lesley Conger
Lesley Conger wasn’t a name I knew, but when Brad/Neglected Books posted on BlueSky, I immediately ordered a copy across the Atlantic. I love books about reading, and apparently this is one the earliest examples that Brad has come across. It’s not your stereotypical ‘busy wife and mother’ reading – she seems to lean towards the Greek classics – but I’m looking forward to delving in.

Agatha Christie’s Marple by Mark Aldridge
Agatha Christie’s Poirot by Mark Aldridge

I forgot to include these in the picture, but I found a couple of interesting looking books that trace Agatha Christie’s most famous detectives through their careers – including the genesis and reception of each book.

Crooked Cross by Sally Carson
Persephone have been trumpeting this reprint as a bestseller even before it was published – and, since it is a portrait of a selfish tyrant becoming a global leader, it is sadly all too relevant to today. I had a trip to Bath a couple of weeks ago and made sure to pick up a copy (as well as pressing Guard Your Daughters on a friend).

The Provincial Lady Goes Further by E.M. Delafield
The Provincial Lady in Wartime by E.M. Delafield

Women Are Like That by E.M. Delafield
The Babe, B.A. by E.F. Benson
On the way back from a church weekend away, I decided to stop at Canons Ashby National Trust. I just fancied a nice day out in the sunshine, and somewhere to finish that day’s book for A Book A Day In May. Well, what a nice surprise to discover they were doing a book fair in the old priory. And, oh gosh, I had the experience we all dream of in that situation.

I don’t have high hopes for this sort of thing, which is often piles of crime thrillers and paperbacks that were popular in 2005. But (as always) I headed for the ‘old and interesting’ table. And I couldn’t believe it when I spied Women Are Like That – one of the very few E.M. Delafield books I didn’t previously own, and which is only available very expensively online. And then I found an E.F. Benson stash too!

There were a few rare E.M. Delafields and E.F. Bensons that I already owned, so was happy to leave them there for another person like me to be overjoyed by. But I couldn’t leave behind these two lovely editions of Provincial Lady books – the one series that I allow myself to duplicate at whim. They are the most striking in the photo, and I am very glad to spend some of my Project 24 allowance on them. But it’s Women Are Like That which really excited me – to the point where I genuinely wondered if I were dreaming. I’ve had that found-a-book-I-really-want dream too many times!

So, yes, I officially can’t buy a book until August to keep on track, but (a) I’ve really happy with my choices so far, and (b) I actually ordered a book online this morning…